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GLAMcamp NYC 2011
Organized by Wikimedia NYC
#glamwiki on social networks
/ IRC channel (freenode)
Mashup: http://stream.glamwiki.org
Etherpads
- Init
- http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-ambassadors - ambassador program
- Saturday
- http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-ut - upload toolhttp://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-metrics-proposal - project brief for GLAM metrics tool-building
- http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-POE Point of Entry discussions
- Sunday
Friday 20th May 2011 - Day 1
We start with an opening by Lauren Lampasone at 9:20
Liam opens the meeting with a short introduction of two mini keynotes.
Meg Bellinger from Yale about open access at Yale.
It took two years of internal argumentation, before the actual announcement (took passionate people).
http://opac.yale.edu/images/slideshow/Slideshow-Open-Access/slideshow.html (http://bit.ly/jFwQ8G ) for the presentation
Meg is talking about Yale's concerns about branding - in regards to releasing these images - something that most museums will take into consideration when making a decision such as this. Also note the mention of 'morals' - such an old school way of thinking, but makes sense based on the old school world of museums :)
Q&A's with Meg. "Self interest versus doing good for good's sake...what's the process of moderating this?" Meg says they are the same - Legacy and stewardship are the sticking point. Furture can't be predicted. But the current evidence shows the institutions aren't the best at reuse practices themselves, but should enable. "Our business is stewardship and education."
2-d, 3-d, metadata ..released under attribution license by Yale
Liam is back - letting the GLAM folks know that there is support - and he introduces Maarten Zeinstra who will present about the Europeana public domain calculator.
Europeana Public Domain Charter: http://www.europeanaconnect.eu/news.php?area=news&pag=34
Europeana Public Domain Calculators: http://wiki.okfn.org/PublicDomainCalculators, more info: http://www.kennisland.nl/nl/filter/opinies/public-domain-calculators-at-europeana
Q: What about other countries, eg. example of a photo of a reproduction of Polish statue in the USA (where the Polish original has been destroyed but copyright might persist in Poland)?
Cross country-licensing issues - i couldn't hear the rest of the question...
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A. We only have funding for Europe
Q. Cross-country licensing issues? US law + Polish, artist being Polish, art made in the US as repro of original art in Poland?
A. that's difficult
Kaldari: In Commons: important to be able to deal with that..... if you could add a URAA (?) for works restored in US
eval copyright status in country of origin, then figure out how that relates to US. PD in US? Copyright restored in US?
Make 2 calculations, run it twice?
Kaldari: Take output of this tool, feed it into another tool that knows about URAA? RIAA? issues
Q. What jurisdiction applies for a German photographer in Poland?
A. The longest level of protection
if work published in EU, then highest/longest level of protection applies via harmonization
Q. Kaldari: can we use this calculator to figure out what the copyright status is going to be in a particular year? .... relevant under certain treaties
A. EU does not have this prob?
In the next hour, 2 sessions, each divided into 3 groups:
move your chairs to three indicated spots
1st half-hour: all the groups will be talking about "behind the curtain of Wikipedia"
clear up misconceptions, explain how project functions in theoretical & practical senses
lots of rules, principles, policies, but how does it function in real world?
There are enough Wikipedians here -- if you have a particular question, branch off, follow that discussion for a while.
Then, swap, redivide yourself, go into 3 specific subject areas at 10:30am
near screen: Wikimedia Commons, multimedia
Wikipedia is the encyclopedia. WC is a prominent sister site. Flickr/YouTube for freely licensed works. Can be used by Wikipedias of all languages.
At the back: talk about copyright
legal, practical implications of using, reuse, why (we're a noncommercial org) do we not accept NC-licensed or ND-licensed content, edu use only, WP use only license. Counterintuitive?!
also, Bridgeman vs Corel
Near registration/stairs: in real life, institutional activities
Ambassadors, Wikipedians in residence
how to get free culture activity happening in your institution
what each institution can do in its own space
Liam:
There are 25 Wikipedians who came here - why?
first single-subject conf on GLAM
we've been doing this informally for years
little projects around the world
Wikipedia community has matured - not just kids in the basement
WP has become an important place in the info ecosystem
important part of how knowledge spreads around the world
(Diagram needed here showing WMF, Chapters etc.)
MediaWiki software runs Wikipedia
Wikimedia Foundation runs the servers
then there are Wikimedia Chapters around the world
http://www.wikimedia.org/ -- all the other wiki projects, like WikiBooks, WikiSource, etc.
Liam - employed as a WMF fellow (Wikimedia Foundation)
"paid volunteer for the year"
Wikimedia is run by volunteers around the world, by consensus. WMF does not exercise editorial control.
do-ocracy
Not about credentials, age, origin, but how you contribute usefully to this knowledge
we are not against experts, we are for experts & good quality info.
[Notes from group 1 (I guess), in the front near the projector]
Round of introduction: David Goodman, Sarah, ..., MaartenZ, MaartenD, Danny, ... (Wikimedia Commons, metadata, mass upload), Karen (WP editor, art in the NY area), ... (Soho gallery), Ryan (software dev, WMF, Wikipedia Loves Art), Camille (Question Copyright), Ray Shaw (web dev. educational websites for GLAMs), ...
David: Problem with people representing organisations. In theory they are the best sources of information, but organisations should not communicate their role, but then conflict of interest is an issue. And, Wikipedia (English) will never be consistent.
Karen (Terrain) tells about her exchanges with WP, art in galleries is underrepresented. Added what she knew about. American artists articles are incomplete (only stubs). DYI attitude to improve this. Karen had some great experiences with her editing/writing, but also had bad experiences with Wikipedia - excited to contribute more.
Q: Has acceptance by the community been hard?
A: Community was quite instrumental. It was useful. But there was also contriversy. Consensus was needed, but the institution actually dissagreed.
Camille tells about here interest in the event: Wants to go beyond the incrowd with the arguments. Especially to artist. Put it in a historical perspective. See what the ups and downs are for artists other than Nina Paily (Sita sings the blues). Wants to get a better and stronger sense of Commons/etc so she can "pitch" to artists the concept of releasing their work.
[Notes from group 3 - RL stuff eg. Wikipedians in residence]
Development in PHP (Sumana wants to talk to programmers), summary of WMF involvement (runs the servers, reaches out, runs legal stuff, etc.)
Intro from Richard, Fae, Lori, Rock drum
Sumana
Lori - Indianapolis
Open source sausage -parodying the phrase often misattributed to Otto von Bismarck "
Laws are like sausages. You should never watch them being made."
Digital archives -- what guarantee can Wikimedia give that we will continue to host assets you gave us, for the next 10 years or 100 years?
Digital archivist asks about linkrot.
What's the plan for the next 5 or 10 years?
Richard says: we use patentfree formats, such as the rather obscure Ogg Theora
in the near future: WebM probably
these last longer & are easier to preserve
We do not suffer from linkrot too much. We do not delete arbitrarily
referencing other things can be a problem but actual articles & media we generally don't
systematically saving citations -- the WMF have a summer intern, Kevin Brown, working on this stuff
British Library has lost stuff (inaudible?) permalink = permanent link
major inst with catalogs, but permalinks were not easily avail!
eventually used system ID in the database
ongoing problem
they have no policy answer!
How do museums react to losing their revenue model? (such as by selling high-res images)
Richard: compromise: museums release medium-resolution images, good for the web, not good enough to print on a t-shirt
Lori Philips: Children's Museum did this.
Richard: helped Brooklyn Museum write a special copyright notice.... does not asset that it is or is not copyrighted
Fae: many institutions have done this (e.g. LSE archives in London)
brave for an inst. to do!
Yale: orphan works conversation more embedded in library
Wikipedian-in-residence, Lori Philips: Every museum has different needs & resources connect them with an indiv
I am the onsite person, works with curators, director of digital media
my colleagues at the museums picked curated images
I streamline processes, make them repeatable for other museums
many case studies on diff events & activities
look on the outreach wiki for case studies, things Lori has done:
she is interested in public programming
students - getting them to edit
teachers had told students they could not use Wikipedia, so, exciting
I had to find a museum who could pay me a little, so I could get daycare for my 3-yr-old
I was a museum studies grad student, already had that in.
1-1 relationships help.
Unique networking experience for me. we are trying to find a way for you to come to glamwiki.org and say you are interested in being/finding a WP-in-residence, and we hook you up
Fae: Wikipedians in residence are rare!
longerterm
institutions that do it well, have a key contact, outreach worker, spending time coordinating events, meetnig with chapters
a lot will happen in a short short period
institution has to buy in to it!
surrounded by curators trying to use your time
also have to fix the larger institution
Dominic
National Archives, starts next week
they put out an open position, got lots of feedback (government institution, has to)
A rep from the NY transport museum noted that many of the higher-ups in her institution would be negative about using Wikipedia. Lori replied that Lori: Lori: many science articles in last year backed up to confirm general reliability of Wikipedia. She noted that "it was a tough nut to crack", but the Campus ambassador program: huge step in this direction
The Onion article :/
Fae: Ẅell, it's here, you can't ignore it" has to be part of the PR discussion.
Richard: hardcore transit people will look up articles about subway cars from 1926 ON WIKIPEDIA
.... use the research process, called it a peer reviewed source..... this the guy who got tenure?
students CREATING Wikipedia is awesome
21st century research skills
all scholars want to write - framing it as peer-reviewed writing exercise
thousands of readers, authentic learning
Lori's experience asking students to write/edit
"this is the real deal" everyone will see this & learn about it from Wikiipedia
really stressed out & exciting
reach families!
Fae: workshops with Cancer Research UK, network of volunteers, monitoring the articles & making sure they are relevant & useful for public. public service.
featured article status -- more scrutiny & maintenance
NY transit museum person laments: it took 6 months to lobby to get a facebook page
(We could do with a set of links to assets mentioned, such as case studies)
Fae: Perhaps peer reviewing is better for experts that actually starting the article as some curators are worried that a teenager can come along and vandalise/undo/wreak havoc on their article. People will always lobby against a topic and while that nmay not be of interest to a curator, but is of interest to the public. There are some things we can do to help rpevent vandalism such as protection, although Wikipedia is still learning.
Lori: We generally advise staying away from your GLAM's article. However, I recently wrote an article about the Indianpolis Museum of Art. We only used 3rd party sources, and had it reviewed by several Wikipedians so that it could be as neutral as possible.
[Some notes on group 2?, second half]
Susan Chun:
- how to make large datasets useful for the community (Maarten mentions Wiki Loves Monuments)
- when is something notable (be bold, notability is vague)
...?
- conneticut state library (wpa artists database), art is photographed, all digital. but they are obscure (artists themselves also). notable because the institution cares about them? (I have notes to add to this, don't let me forget! and for the first group!)
KEY IDEAS
Round table who we are and what we are looking for from these sessions:
* QRcode/QRpedia demo - ask Rock drum (should be able to smartphone demo)
* NRHP and glam
* Aude : mass video upload, circumvent file size upload restrictions
* Aude: facilitating Wikis Take __ projects and partnerships w/ historical society type orgs
* Ambassadors x2 (how this related to Chapters - MaartenB)
* Yahoo Answers and other external forums that could benefit from outreach
* Documentation x3 / best practices x2 / Q/A / FAQ?
* Mass Upload (commons) tool x3 - technical DIY or training
* New Users (academic)
* Fae: Getting volunteers outside of London.
* Fae: The other languages in the UK (Gaelic, Welsh, Scottish, Cornish...).
* Fae: Helping small institutions. How to handle them, how they contact us?
* MaartenB: How to best use the GLAMwiki network
* Relationship to free software/culture generally
* MaartenZ: Developer and open content researcher for Creative Commons Netherlands, Europeana and Images for the Future
* Capturing software requirements
* Merger of GLAM program and university program - to take place at this meeting - CONTROVERSIAL!!
* Developing "for dummies" type guides for GLAMs to easily and quickly add content to commons and use/work with Wikimedia
* Insights for WIR, how to be a "resident"
*GLAM "notability" guide(lines)?
*GLAMWIKI out west
* Dave from NYDAWG - long-term preservation of media (relates to earlier discussion regards WMF commitment to long term archive support; ideally 100 years)
* Liam: I came to make this thing happen. My goal: make myself irrelevant, get rid of myself as bottleneck. Facilitating discussions.
Documentation means outreach documentation and also "how to". Many GLAMs have the same key questions. We need to develop this sort of material, there is a lot of overlap
Two most requested: documentation and metrics. If we only accomplish two things this week, those are the two
The biggest issue about mass uploading is how to get all the metadata along there
Defining "free culture" compliant institutions. Possibly giving out awards and ranking the institutions.
AAM has indexes. Indexing is a normal part of museum culture.
How to break out these sessions?
MaartenB interested in talking about how to network and work together on Sunday at the wrap-up session - Sunday 3PM Planning The Future
Sarah initiates feedback about the morning sessions. Attendees from Terrain Gallery represented an important community and have taken initiative to engage with Wikipedia by writing articles and uploading information. Questions from Susan Chun are added above @ Group 2.
Wikimedia Israel has a database of 1200 Israeli artists in English and Hebrew and want to create the WIkipedia articles automatically, but it must all be created on a case by case basis.
Sarah mentions the concern about notabilitiy that came up in the breakout group. It might be good to create a GLAM notabilitiy guide.
CT State Library is looking for a Wikipedian In Residence now
US has 1.3 chapters, cover less than 1/4 of country
Question: How do we find good Wikipedians to give them? Recuriting and supporting and training them? Do they need to be paid for this?: Do we just need a better Wiki page?
Is there a qualitiative difference between on-site versus being a good resource/reference?
We need to define e-volunteer. What is a GLAM ambassador? Get it all clearly on the website so when GLAMs come they can see all that information.
Liam needs to tell the foundation which way forward in regards to GLAM. Do we want to invest money? Do we want the chapters to put time and money into this?
Some serious academics are very keen on this as a direction. We need to find a way to draw them in/ develop relationships with them.
Documentation task: simpler "how to write an article about person" for GLAM institutions (notability issues etc.)
Who's gonna get paid?
GLAM institutions are reaching out to us -- "what can Sarah do for you this summer?" 35 people CC'd.
Personal relationships.
Once you're in....
Jealousy is a motivator! "They've got a WIR, we want a WIR"
Rare to find wikipedians who are good at doing in-person outreach
Right now, we can walk into a GLAM and be the first Wikipedians they've ever met.
We have massive power, visibility, & influence & no structure!
Camille from QCO: get people who are already in particular insts, ignite them, give them materials to leverage in their own communities
putting a WP into that org, instead of taking someone from the org and turning them into a Wikipedian? correspondence course.
we don't have to volunteer wrangle. "send your person to us or to this site"
they bring familiarity with their own issues - we can't all be museum studies students
how do you get $ from WMF or chapters? make a case that these positions need to be accountable
trainers of trainers of volunteers need a certain level of professional accountability?
then you can get chapter or WMF financial support
LUNCH EARLY
try to come back around 1:30
actually come back at 2pm.
Do not leave your stuff here.
Come back via Madison Ave entrance.
[conversation between Liam & Sumana re tools GLAM wants]
tools we want:
start working out what we want in the mass upload tool
right now, lots of mass upload -- the requests tool is for random Commonsers who want someone to scrape a webpage full of PD images
not our use case
extension or something for "sharing this page"
short link
[socialmedia stuff already live in en.wikinews, etc] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheDJ/Sharebox
embed widget such as http://toolserver.org/~magnus/widget/index.html?article=Hoxne_Hoard&run=1 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:PrettyLinkWidget.js
"cite this page" & permalink & arguably book tool belong in a "share" button or something
skype guy for mass uploads/data ingestion:
http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-ut -- talking about the data ingestion tool
Saturday 21st, Day 2
http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-ut -- talking about the data ingestion tool
http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-metrics-proposal - began project brief for metrics tool
http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-POE Point of Entry discussions
Sunday 22nd, Day 3
